Curse

Brilliance · Dec 31, 2008, 06:41 PM // 18:41

[Soldier's Fury]["Can't Touch This!"][Barbarous Slice][Gash][Sun and Moon Slash][Riposte][Leader's Comfort]["Lead the Way!"]

Works amazing if you have a team that stays together and a monk doesn't hurt either obviously. Can't Touch This is perma shout and rapes Palm Strike and touch rangers.

Has amazing DPS and leader's comfort is just there for extra healing. Don't forget your Insignia's for 90 armor.

Bobulation · Dec 31, 2008, 08:13 PM // 20:13

Why waste your elite on [Soldier's Fury] when you can use [Aggressive Refrain] ?

Abedeus · Dec 31, 2008, 08:25 PM // 20:25

Why waste your Paragon if you can do it on a Warrior? Paragon's = Spear = ranged Sword damage.

Riposte is bad.

Barbarous Slice is bad.

Can't Touch This is freakin' bad.

Soldier's Fury too.

Tombguard321 · Dec 31, 2008, 08:33 PM // 20:33

There is a build mentioned similar to this on PvX

10 +1 +1 Leadership
12 Sword
8 +1 Command

1- Barbarous Slice
2- Gash
3- Sun and Moon Slash
4- Spear Swipe
5- Go For the Eyes
6- Lead the Way
7- Soldiers Fury
8- Rez Signet

Of Course being in Alliance battles Rez Signet can be replaced for Make Haste so you can help out the monk.

Sorry I wasn't sure how to do the images and all.
Here is the link.
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:P/...27s_Fury_Sword

Luminarus · Jan 01, 2009, 07:04 AM // 07:04

Skill images are done by [Insert Skill Name Here] eg [Frenzy]. Soldiers Fury + Lead the way is similar to [Primal Rage] now and thats a great skill. Tbh, I would run it with an axe rather then a sword, but its not that bad.

Bobby2 · Jan 01, 2009, 09:47 AM // 09:47

People bothered with Para frontliners over Warriors because of Spear Swipe, which your build doesn't have.

Quote:

Can't Touch This is perma shout and rapes Palm Strike and touch rangers.

Hardly. Crap skill.

Luminarus · Jan 01, 2009, 02:26 PM // 14:26

It gives brief respite from palm strikers, but so does d-shot/diversion etc, which are more useful in general.

orgeron · Jan 01, 2009, 04:50 PM // 16:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobulation

Why waste your elite on [Soldier's Fury] when you can use [Aggressive Refrain] ?

first I'm going to say: nooooooooooooooo freaking way that ones is good in ab (or pvp at all) and i'm not talking about fury becous thats a freaking awsome skills :P

hm... lets see... take elite and gain more adrenalin and spam atk skills or waist all your nrg (allmost anyways) to get a constant craced armor (if a monk don't whant to waist 5 nrg the hole game)so your down to caster armor, hm... what will i take?

you see? that will never work in ab when you will die all the time.

just so you don't missunderstand me, this idea sucks, BUT paras are awsome.

i play para 99% of the time in pvp (ok, ab and aspenwood :P) and this is the skill i have 99% of the time. it's really great and don't you dare compare paras to other proffs :P. sure, paras haven't the best heal, but they're fun

shange the warrior skills to spear and go for the eyes and it will work beter :P

"can't touch this is the most fun skill to use right now. i allways laugh when I see an assasin fail agenst me, seriosly, they can't do a shit :P

what els... oh ye... 10 more armor when having this up

aura of the lith is buffed... necros like this in aspenwood... why not piss them off with holy spear? xD (seriosly, they hate me now)

buh for para with sword, yey for para with soldiers fury. and thats all i ahve to say

Bobby2 · Jan 02, 2009, 03:07 AM // 03:07

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Originally Posted by orgeron

"can't touch this is the most fun skill to use right now. i allways laugh when I see an assasin fail agenst me, seriosly, they can't do a shit :P

Oh yes we can.

Spam [palm strike] until [can't touch this] is removed, depriving you of your Elite benefits
Auto attack with Zealous Daggers to 10e if necessary
Finish combo

Take a different shout... it'll pay off

Brilliance · Jan 02, 2009, 06:04 AM // 06:04

First off, I'm going to emphasize the AB part of the title of this post.

Second, some people did not give this build a second of thought and just said the skills are crap.

Sins won't spam [Palm Strike] because most of them are scrubs and hit the second skill in their chain before they even realize that 'oh shit, wtf happened to palm strike'.

Sure the skill is similar to running primal rage, yet not having the double damage effect and also getting the effect of basically having ["For Great Justice!"]

You are basically playing a 90 Armor warrior with FGJ and Frenzy, cept not in a stance so you get the extra damage w/ [Barbarous Slice].

I wouldn't say that the Sword is better than the Spear because i haven't tried spear due to not having the amazing GW:EN skills.

As orgeron said, Agressive Refrain is crap.

This is just a unique and practical build to run in AB. It's something different and it raises peoples eyebrows when you slaughter them. Go run it in AB and tell me if it's not fun.

orgeron · Jan 02, 2009, 10:08 AM // 10:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby2

Oh yes we can.

Spam [palm strike] until [can't touch this] is removed, depriving you of your Elite benefits
Auto attack with Zealous Daggers to 10e if necessary
Finish combo

Take a different shout... it'll pay off

i haven't played that much ab lately, but when i have, this assas ether give up or get killed (by me or some one els) befour i die.

here the thing with that build, you need a great monk and deal some more dmg. #1 90 armor whon't keep you alive for long and you put yourslef in a terible position by take a para in to the fire of battle. #2 you will do more dmg by taking spear, why? you will stand in the distance and spam attacks and donät get killed (as easely)

i jused "ctt" before the palm srtike buff, why? not becouse i hate touchers, no, becouse this is the best shout to have if you just have 1 para in the team. they're on fire was the first I tested, you really don't whant to spam a 10 nrg shout in a 4 man team (that not allways stick together), paras just don't have the nrg managment for it :P if you have a better shout to recomend, plz go ahead bobby

Bobby2 · Jan 02, 2009, 11:23 AM // 11:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brilliance

Sins won't spam [Palm Strike] because most of them are scrubs and hit the second skill in their chain before they even realize that 'oh shit, wtf happened to palm strike'.

Bad opposition is no excuse to run bad skills.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brilliance

Sure the skill is similar to running primal rage, yet not having the double damage effect and also getting the effect of basically having ["For Great Justice!"]

Albeit less powerful. 33% =! 100%

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brilliance

You are basically playing a 90 Armor warrior with FGJ and Frenzy, cept not in a stance so you get the extra damage w/ [Barbarous Slice].

Sword was used because it offered an extra cover condition for [spear swipe]. Axe wins out on damage even considering [barbarous slice]. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by orgeron

becouse this is the best shout to have if you just have 1 para in the team. they're on fire was the first I tested, you really don't whant to spam a 10 nrg shout in a 4 man team (that not allways stick together), paras just don't have the nrg managment for it :P

On energy management: Para's were designed for larger parties than 4 (eg a larger energy return than 4 per shout).

Aside from that, Para's only work in non-sucky teams.

[lead the way] should be all you need (see above sentence), though [stand your ground] produces funny results as well

orgeron · Jan 02, 2009, 08:25 PM // 20:25

cct is bad becouse of what? becouse it's useless agenst assasins, becouse they can spam trough it?

this is not in this or my build becouse we don't whant assas, it's in becouse it is just 5 nrg, and like you don't seams to relise, this thread was about ab paragons, so your to skills in a 4 man team will kill you nrg so fast that not even an mesmer interupt hero can't stop it :P

and, brilliance, go spear, you will see that it will work better, and you will not get hit by palm strikers as easely so you'll do more dmg (becouse you'll be alive :P)

Axel Zinfandel · Jan 03, 2009, 12:30 AM // 00:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby2

Oh yes we can.

Spam [palm strike] until [can't touch this] is removed, depriving you of your Elite benefits
Auto attack with Zealous Daggers to 10e if necessary
Finish combo

Take a different shout... it'll pay off

Ok, mathematically that is pretty hard to do in most cases, depending on command attribute. Palm strike has a four second recharge and a .75 activation, and you'd have to use it 4 or 5 times to get rid of "Can't Touch This!", which takes about 19 seconds to do, by which time he'll probably be able to throw it up again.

But, uhh, if you want to waste 20 seconds attacking a -paragon- with "Can't Touch This", go right ahead.

Ok, on a basic level we can say that "Can't Touch This" has become a TINY bit more viable with the buff of Palm Strike, but it's still a worthless skill to have unless you have a faint idea of what you are going up against. If you are a paragon and an assassin decides to attack you with palm strike, you should probably be laughing at his idiotic target choice, rather then contemplating how to counter it.

Brilliance · Jan 03, 2009, 03:16 AM // 03:16

i'll try the spear out, but to everyone that is still stuck on hating CTT, you have no idea what you're talking about. It's not like you are using it for the functionality, its the matter of having a 5en perma shout.

I'll also note that i usually run this with a good monk in AB, so 90 armor + good monk = no deaths.

Bobulation · Jan 03, 2009, 11:03 AM // 11:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by orgeron

First I'm going to say: Nooooooooooooooo freaking way that one's good in ab (or pvp at all) and I'm not talking about fury because that's a freaking awesome skill :P

Hmm... let's see... take the elite and gain more adrenaline and spam attack skills or waste all your energy (almost anyways) to get a constant cracked armor (if a monk doesn't want to waste 5 energy the whole game) so your down to caster armor. Hmm... what will I take?

You see? That will never work in ab when you will die all the time.

Just so you don't missunderstand me, this idea sucks, BUT paras are awesome.

Fixed it so I could actually read it.

He says he rolls with a good monk, so he never dies, making [Aggressive Refrain] better than wasting his elite on [soldier's fury] imo.

orgeron · Jan 03, 2009, 02:23 PM // 14:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel

Ok, mathematically that is pretty hard to do in most cases, depending on command attribute. Palm strike has a four second recharge and a .75 activation, and you'd have to use it 4 or 5 times to get rid of "Can't Touch This!", which takes about 19 seconds to do, by which time he'll probably be able to throw it up again.

But, uhh, if you want to waste 20 seconds attacking a -paragon- with "Can't Touch This", go right ahead.

Ok, on a basic level we can say that "Can't Touch This" has become a TINY bit more viable with the buff of Palm Strike, but it's still a worthless skill to have unless you have a faint idea of what you are going up against. If you are a paragon and an assassin decides to attack you with palm strike, you should probably be laughing at his idiotic target choice, rather then contemplating how to counter it.

well em.. ty for agreeing with me :P

and yes, if you look at the skills and not what the skill is doing in you build, yes it can be inproved :P

but as long as it's a 5nrg shout that can help you with soldiers fury, i'll take it.

and yes, i have meet assas that spam the elite and i have cast cct agen :P

and an abselute NO! :P 25 nrg in a 30 nrg bar is never good in any pvp :P

lets see...

fury: every 20 secs you need to cast this (1 sec) to gaing 33% IAS and 33% more adrenalin for a total of 10 nrg (8 with leadership)

refrain: cast this in bigining of battle and lose 25 nrg (thats really fun) then every time your anthem of flame is recharged you need to stop and cast it (1 sec) even when your not in battle. you get 25% IAS (hm... is this better or worse then 33% IAS, hm... i don't know *sarcasm*) and gz you gain a caster armor if your great monk don't removes it. and as a monk primary I would remove it becouse it could be blind or weakness that some one els gave the para, but no, it was the para that gave himself a caster armor so the monk can spend 5 nrg to remove it, well aint that a happy monk

you see? 33% IAS and 33% more adrenalin or 25% IAS and caster armor with the cost of all your nrg if you fail to keep it up.

and i played it now, you know what? I as a para got a derv down to less then 50% hp (and deep wound) befoure he killed me. "well, you died" you might reply. lets ee i had no healing at all, and he hade mystic regen and prob. some other healing. (and ye, the freaking seig turtle blom me up to :P)

yes! my english suck, i know! I have wrighting and spelling problems :P

Tyla · Jan 03, 2009, 02:39 PM // 14:39

Download FireFox. Download a spellchecker.

That aside, having your elite open is worth a lot more than you think.

Unreal Havoc · Jan 03, 2009, 03:37 PM // 15:37

Aggressive Refrain on a frontliner is bad. You know what they say about 60al on the frontline right? Think Cracked Armour will be much different?

If you want to go melee take a Warrior, or an Assassin. Paragons for the most part are much better suited to a midline role.

orgeron · Jan 03, 2009, 04:55 PM // 16:55

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Originally Posted by Tyla

That aside, having your elite open is worth a lot more than you think.

focust anger for exampel?

dont use that much adrenalin skills (with high cost) and it is more presure if i attack more often :P

every motivation skills is boring :P

cruel spear = vicious attack + go for the eyes, and less adrenalin

stunning: sure monk can be enoying, but i whon't throw 10 spears to get daze on a monk :P

i have tested other proff elites too, but this is the most fun in all situations. i used to go weakend knees, but... the nerfed it :P (i think it was a nerf)